Learn English with an Indian accent?

Hi Chris,

I am proud to be an Indian. I find your statement offensive "they work incredibly hard for a fraction of what the rest of the world gets paid". Please get your facts straight, before you start again.

As for English with an Indian Accent, what is wrong with that? English as a language need not be learnt with American or Canadian or Irish or Australian or UK accent. Each one of these so called Native English speaking countries have their own, typical accent, totally unique. In last 10 years, Indians writers have probably got Booker's award than any of the Native English Writers.

Keep your Racial views strictly under wraps, else Indians are coming that's for sure.

Sanjay, you seem to have trouble reading and understanding english.  How are Chris' remarks offensive? Please don't use the racism card to fight your way through Korea.  It's not your country, you are not Korean so you are a guest.  I think Indians do work hard and many are good honest people but i agree it is very difficult to understand Indian English accent.  When i studied in university, everyone in my lecture agreed we could not understand every 3rd word from our Indian Professor because of his heavy accent.  Even as native speakers, we had trouble understanding his english in our lectures.  Imagine how hard it will be for korean kids to understand?

Well concidering that India is not one of the seven countries listed by Korean immigration to legally teach English(E2,E1), you can not get a visa unless you are part of this special pilot project. You are not and therefore seeking illegal private employment.

I have been in Korea for 15 years, I have heard that the Filipinos and Indians are coming to take our jobs away(G7) for probably 13 of those 15 years. It has not happened, it will never happen en mass. Why? Korean mothers will not go for it. End of story. They do not want the accents nor do they .....I can't go there it will be modded faster than a dog meat joke. I'm sure most of you that have lived in Korea for along time now what I'm going to say.

Once again, the ministry can set up all the programs they want. Reason one; Korean mothers will not go for Asian English teachers no matter how qualified they are. Reason two; catch one of these people with a fake degree or involved in a police matter and watch the whole house of cards fall down. It only takes one out of the 100 or 300 or 5000, makes no difference.

 I never said you or your people were loaded up with fake degrees. You need to re-read and understand my post. I said this house of cards is planned to fail when one bad apple ruins it for the rest. Look at the problems a few teachers with fake degrees from a Canadian university caused 15,000 of us a few years back. Sealed transcripts, apostolling nonsense, scrutiny all because of a handful of teachers. 

 The Phillipines isn't the first choice of Korean mothers to send their children. If they do send them there it's economic. They simply can't afford to send them to the west.

I'm not feeding the fire by the way, Koreans have this pre-determined or bias against south-east asians anyway. Yes, I have been to Europe and most Europeans when they think of Korea think dog meat. I don't understand your point, are all Germans Hitler in disguise? Everyone everywhere has a bias against everywhere else. The Chinese are dirty, the Italians are slick and casanovas, the Greeks are hairy.

Also the MOE and immigration have determined that there are 7 countries that qualify as native speaker status. We can have this agrument till the cows come home, why don't you try changing this instead of shouting at a wall? 

Thats not at all generally speaking. Economic reason could be one reason for sending their kids to the Phil however that is NOT an ABSOLUTE reason to conceive. You are being ONE- SIDED again.

First or last choice may it be, it doesnt have that much bearing at all coz the point is:

Korean parents still choose to send their children to the Philippines for English Education and that is their own, unpersuaded decision.

Fake degrees and those stuffs are within the jurisdiction of the employers and recruiting agencies for verification. I dont wanna elaborate on that since we are all knowledgeable about that aspect.

There has always been a conflict and ambiguity between MOE and the  Immigration  regarding the F2 visa holders to wit:

1. Immigration says that F2 visa holders, being married to Korean nationals, therefore presumed to stay here in Korea, CAN work any kind of job (theres no specifications abt its restrictions); and

2. MOE only allows 7 countries entitled to be issued an E2 Visa.

So where do the  F2 visa holders  who dont belong to the aforementioned 7 countries  fall in? IN THE MIDDLE..

And that conflict is still unresolved til now. .

That is according to the Law.. but reality speaks differently. And we are all aware of it. Im sure you know what I'm refering to.

Well of course we don't know absolutely, I'm not a mind reader. Economics does play the most significant part of the equation though.  If the Philippines was expensive who would send their kids there? No one.

You said I'm one sided, there is only one side; money. Those who have get the best education possible those who don't make due with what is available to them.

In addition to my last post, about 90% of all F2/F5 people are mail order brides from south-east asia. The English teacher with an F2 is certainly not the norm and represents about 10% of all of these visas issued.

You are correct, people with F2/F5 can gain pretty much any employment they chose but in-house rules at the MOE or school itself would eliminate the majority of these people anyway.

What you said is general. And yes, that is right..

But it still depends on the person...

You are way out of the main issue and you are branching out, however I want to reply on your last post.

Have you come to think of it that  these so- called F2/ F5 Maid to Order Brides can teach English? I dont think so since their level of Education is way down low.. and commonly, their means of communication with the Korean spouse would be in Korean language. Get the pic?

Im sure there are lots of users here with an F2 or an F5.. and probably, YOU are one of these users,, arent you?

Till then..

I have an F5 visa and yes any of these catalog brides from anywhere could  teach English. I don't know many that would speak English on a level of being able to teach it to others but it is possible. All they need is the visa to keep the immy dogs at bay. They would most likely speak better Korean being married to one.

 I know of a Russian woman who is married to a Korean national that teaches English at an institute. I don't know what the parents would think of that if they learned that she isn't a native speaker. Perhaps the parents know, I would certainly doubt that they do. I'm sure the MOE doesn't know either but hogwans are almost impossible to keep tabs on.  

 I can't see a Vietnamese  mail order bride teaching English in any gov't school ever no matter if it's perfectly legal for her to do so. Like I said, the MOE would have it's in house hiring rules as would a local school.